Stephanie Murphy, the brilliant scientist from Free Talk Live and Porc Therapy, joins Michael W. Dean on the Gumbo to chat about BDSM, kink, paraphilia, the DSM IV, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome, Mumble, encryption and libertarians, avoiding the state, BitCoin, the search for personal freedom and purity, blocking idiots on the Interwebs, telecommuting to Porcfest, agony aunts, defooing, Stefan Molyneux,  Linux vs. Windows, Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs and sex, novelty, best audio gear for podcasting, psychology, Free State Project, personal journeys to libertarianism, churches trying to “cure” homosexuality and porn “addiction”, Santorum, psyche meds, The Joy of Sex, the search for the clitoris vs. the state, guns, the Paleo Diet, the Monsanto Diet, and of course, WORMS!

For a while, Michael’s wife, DJ, joins the double-ender threesome, says some smart stuff about male strippers and bondage, and shows exactly why she and Stephanie have the most luxurious voices in podcasting.


  1. By: Puzzled Posted: October 5, 2012

    Wait, the intro says “…guests who are also up late at night.” False advertising.

    • By: MichaelWDean Posted: October 5, 2012

      Lol. It started that way. And still is to some extent. But I didn’t want to keep anyone out just because they have a normal schedule.


  2. By: MichaelWDean Posted: May 28, 2012


    ” I think he’s toned down a bit now that he has a family.” lol. Yup that changes folks.

    I barely talk to mine. Not a Dee-foo, just don’t have much in common. I talk to you more than I talk to them.


  3. By: Paul Bonneau Posted: May 28, 2012

    On ostracism/blocking people, I go back and forth. On the Internet I tend not to block if I think they might potentially have anything of value for me. I am old enough, having gotten rid of much of “testosterone poisoning”, that little makes me mad. When I respond to an attack (if I bother at all) it is with the audience in mind, not so much myself or the attacker. I’m not emotional about it. So I’ve blocked virtually no one on facebook. Outside the internet I’d probably go the other way; that is if someone personally screwed me or got on my case I would just walk away. If the attack continued things could get serious but this is more theoretical than real at my age, as I don’t hang with people who are assholes.

    Some people are uncomfortable with ostracism and it is not very nice, but it is a tool that is available.

    On de-fooing, I always had a theoretical agreement with Stefan about this, in fact came to much the same conclusion on my own. But I just think he went overboard with that stuff, for example, saying “the state begins at home”, and implying all families are rotten. I think he’s toned down a bit now that he has a family.

  4. By: Brian Singer Posted: April 23, 2012

    Wow! You totally hit it out of the park. One, I could really care less about the whole world of kink, yet you had me totally fascinated. I can tell by the way Stephanie talks that she’s a scientist. She approached the subject from an objective, inquisitive perspective that made your conversation educational and entertaining as well.
    Two, I don’t think you could have better audio quality if you did this in a professional studio.
    This leads me to my third point, which is that I would listen to Stephanie read the phone book. She is so smart, and she has this amazing sexy voice.
    Liberty radio can be both informative and entertaining, it can stay true to principals of freedom without being so serious or angry all the time. You’ve proved that here.

  5. By: Michigan Escapee Posted: April 13, 2012

    An older method for sound deadening involved lead sheets and asphalt layers under it. Not horrible on cost, the lead
    sheeting didn’t even need to be much more than maybe twice
    sheet metal thickness. So figure maybe $2000-$3000 for an
    8×10 room. Would tend to make the toxin phobic sorts crazy
    though. Could always spray clear coat over it if you worried
    people might get exposed from touching it, tasting, whatever.

    These guys do a quick rundown on price for something a
    bit more modern.

    They also have a rubber sheet roofing product, and rock wool if you only had builders square materials and a low budget to
    work with. Also good if you like to play super load music and
    don’t want the neighbors to hear.

  6. By: MichaelWDean Posted: April 12, 2012

    Stephanie wrote me after we did this cast and asked about my studio, specifically about soundproofing. I typed the answer but then decided to post it here because, well, my life IS a teaching hospital and others can probably get something from this:

    In Los Angeles I tried to soundproof a whole spare bedroom of our home. I covered the walls, floors and ceiling with rug fragments, and boarded up the window with two layers of wood with fiber fill between the boards. Didn’t work so well, because there is a difference between sound proofing and sound conditioning. (An underground cave is soundproof, but not sound conditioned. The room in Los Angeles was in a house with thin walls, and on a busy street, so it was sound conditioned but not soundproofed.)

    I sound conditioned (removed room echo), which is easy, but soundproofing (removing all noise leakage from outside the house) is much harder. To truly soundproof well is expensive and complicated. It involves building all walls, floors and ceilings out of several feet of concrete. Or building a suspended room within the room. Pro studios in big cities often do that. And once you build the room within the room, it’s hard to ventilate/heat/cool without adding noise.

    Here in Wyoming we live in a much quieter neighborhood, live in a thick-walled solid brick house, and also have a finished basement. It’s very quiet down there. I sound conditioned a basement closet using rugs and blankets. It’s stellar for voiceover. DJ did all the narration for the “Guns and Weed” movie down there, and it’s where we do any paid voice work we get.

    Here’s a photo of the vocal booth:

    But I recently brought most of my gear upstairs into my bedroom. (DJ and I have separate bedrooms. We spend a lot of time with each other, but separate bedrooms is the secret to a happy marriage, and also pretty much required for her to be able to sleep because I’m so often awake and working when she wants to sleep.) Having the gear in my bedroom makes it easier to podcast often, and I get to look out the window. I feel a little isolated in the basement, and have a great view of trees and squirrels and birds out my bedroom window.

    I’ve gotten so stellar at getting great sound that for podcasting and radio I now worry a lot less about trying to make it sound like an NPR studio (like I used to). I don’t mind if people hear sounds that let them know I’m in a home, not a pro studio (like a cat mewing, me bumping the table, DJ coming home from work, or an occasional truck outside). I actually kind of like that stuff.

    In my cast with you, at one point, if you’re listening with headphones, you can hear one of our cats yelling for kitty treats in the background.

    Here’s an article with more on Feens technology:

  7. By: MichaelWDean Posted: April 12, 2012

    Thanks, Ben!


  8. By: Ben Stone Posted: April 12, 2012

    Just got around to listening.
    Great show and great guest.
    It’s amazing how each one of these Gumbo podcasts have not only a very different rhythm and feel from each other, but Michael brings out a very different aspect of the guest that you just don’t hear on their own show.
    Anyway, way to go Michael! Keep up the great work.

  9. By: MichaelWDean Posted: April 11, 2012

    Cool. I love corrupting people.

    • By: Garrett Fox Posted: April 11, 2012

      Bookmarked, thanks. We’re gonna go to the [adult] toy store this weekend. I is excite! 😀

  10. By: MichaelWDean Posted: April 11, 2012

    If we’re talking consensual, even if there’s no sex involved, that could be kink, for sure.

    • By: Garrett Fox Posted: April 11, 2012

      Well yes of coarse consensual. We’ve been talking about it as a method of making studying more fun for both of us. But we kept getting tripped up on what type of sex that would be considered. That’s why I’m glad you guys are talking about “voluntarily domination” (if you will) and how that coincides with the NAP.

      Good episode… and no worries Stef. I’ve accidentally introduced my show as The Disinformation Podcast before.

  11. By: MichaelWDean Posted: April 11, 2012


    lol. worms.


    • By: Garrett Fox Posted: April 11, 2012

      So uhh…would handcuffing your girl to the bed and teasing her in multiple different ways with the intention of helping her study, be considered kink?

  12. By: Garrett Fox Posted: April 11, 2012

    Micheal Dub,

    We’ll put you up on a projector in the pavilion. I could use my phone as a hotspot.

  13. By: King Posted: April 11, 2012

    A most excellent show! I will be tuning in to you both more often! … Not that Stephanie will ever read this 😉

    ( copied and pasted from youtube, where Stephanie never reads the comments)

    Thanks again and live free!

  14. By: MichaelWDean Posted: April 11, 2012

    Thanks! I agree. She’s great. And I try to bring it out of people.


  15. By: WWalker Posted: April 11, 2012

    That was the best Stephanie that I can remember hearing. Great show.

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